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Interview with an ISIS leader, Libya and Turkey with Analysis – Dr. Rich Swier


The sin’at al-mawt (business of demise) program carried on the Saudi-owned, Dubai-based al-arabiyya TV on 28 June featured an interview with a top-ranked ISIS particular person.  His identify is El-yass Aaden, and his movement identify was abu ‘Ubaydah at-Turki, indicating he was from Turkey.  Though Turkish, he spoke decent Arabic.  He was described as being in his late 20’s and one of the “prominent” leaders of ISIS.

He claimed to have studied spiritual regulation in Cairo, Egypt (doubtless accomplished at al-Azhar), and then accomplished his schooling in Istanbul.  Despite the fact that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the chief of ISIS, had a PhD in Islamic jurisprudence, Abu ‘Ubaydah’s information of scripture (and his in all probability having studied at al-Azhar) earned him the honorary title inside ISIS as ameer shar’i w-mufti al-tanzheem (Prince of Shari’a regulation and expositor of scripture and declarer of fatwas for the ISIS organization).

He additionally claimed to be a member of the very tight internal circle for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Abu Muhammad al-‘Adnani.  He said he first joined the an-Nusra front (al-Qaeda’s Syrian franchise), then moved over to ISIS because he found it to be nearer to the truth (i.e. the “real” Islam as preached and lived by Muhammad).

He then turned the first middleman between ISIS and Turkey.  On this capacity he claims to have recruited over 2,000 Turks to return and be a part of ISIS.

He went on to say that there was no democracy in ISIS.  No political opposition.  Baghdadi and his inside circle decided every part.

When his interviewer requested him concerning the position of ISIS within the explosions (terrorist acts) at Sirouj and Ankara (in Turkey), he stated that Sirouj was completed with out al-Baghdadi’s information and approval, and it was finished in coordination with Turkish Intelligence (MIT), and Turkish residents from the Turkish army.  Sirouj (operation) was towards the Kurds, he stated.  As for Ankara, the operation in Ankara was executed by the orders of Baghdadi, but in addition with the coordination of Turkey’s MIT, and it was directed towards the Leftists.

(Notice:  This comports with earlier reporting that the ISIS “terrorist” assaults in Turkey have been accomplished towards Kurds and other Erdogan opponents, and with the coordination of Turkish Intelligence, the aim being to offer Erdogan with a pretext for getting into the Syrian warfare, using the conflict towards ISIS as cover for his campaign to exterminate Kurds, Christians, and Yazidis in proximity to Turkey’s borders.  The pretend “ISIS” assaults inside Turkey itself also allowed Erdogan to punish political opponents.  Kill two birds with one stone.)

When the interviewer requested him why they killed the journalist James Foley, he replied that “Foley was a Jew.  All Jews and Christians are kufaar (unbelievers), and should be killed.”  (Notice:  A U.S. diplomat identify Larry Foley was assassinated in Jordan by the ISIS precursor, Abu Mus’ab az-Zarqawi’s group which was being hosted and sponsored by Saddam Hussein on the time.)

Abu ‘Ubaida stated that the West had no argument with ISIS at first (observe:  different reporting has indicated that the Obama administration thought-about ISIS to be an “asset”), and solely turned towards ISIS when ISIS started seizing OIL wells and selling it on the Black Market.  He stated that Turkey purchased their OIL, and then would turn round and promote it for twice what they paid for it.  (Word:  This confirms what had additionally been reported on beforehand).  However he also added that the Assad Syrian regime also bought OIL from ISIS once they needed it.

He claimed that Turkey shaped the so-called “Free Syrian Army” for the aim of buying weapons to turn around and promote them to ISIS, and for smuggling antiquities out of Iraq and Syria for sale on the Black Market.  He stated there was no border between Turkey and ISIS, and that the Turks facilitated to stream of ISIS recruits into Syria.


As reported by al-arabiyya TV on 28 June, Common al-Mismari, the spokeman for Gen. Haftar’s Libyan military besieging Libya’s capital Tripoli, whereas reiterating his declare that Turkey and Qatar are both intervening instantly in Libya’s civil approach, added that the Turkish navy is enjoying a more lively position by operating drones which might be attacking the positions of the Libyan military.

Al-Mismari then went on to threaten that the Libyan army will assault any Turkish ship getting into Libyan waters, or in any other case partaking in hostile actions towards Libya.  He added that no ship departing from a Turkish port might be allowed to enter Libyan waters, and no airplane departing from Turkey can be allowed to enter Libyan airspace.

On 29 June the Cairo-based al-ghad TV interviewed a Libyan journalist in regards to the Portuguese pilot who was shot down near the al-Hira space of western Libya, and then captured by parts of Gen. Haftar’s Libyan army.  In response to the interrogation of the downed pilot, he admitted to being a Portuguese citizen, and that he was employed to take out roads and bridges.

The Libyan journalist taking to the al-ghad TV anchor stated that this Portuguese man was the 2nd foreigner flying for the Sirraaj government in Tripoli that the Haftar group has shot down and captured in the final 15 days (though he didn’t determine the other pilot).  The Libyan journalist then added that the Sirraaj authorities has been using Pakistanis, Arabs, and Europeans as mercenaries.

In one other phase by al-ghad TV, the anchor interviewed a “Libyan analyst” who added that Africans are additionally working as mercenaries for Tripoli.  Then he famous that Turkey is hiring all these mercenaries, coaching them, and then infiltrating them into Libya.

30 June, Libyan analysts reporting to al-arabiyya TV have complained that an ISIS group working for the UN-recognized Sirraaj government had entered a hospital and killed Libyan troopers.  Libyans demand an worldwide investigation for these warcrimes.

30 June, reviews have are available that Gen. Haftar’s Libyan army has captured six Turkish troopers preventing on behalf of the Sirraaj authorities in Tripoli.

Erdogan has threatened to enter the Libyan conflict in full pressure if any Turkish interests in Libya are hit, and if these Turkish “citizens” are usually not instantly freed.


On 29 June, widespread Egyptian Speak show host ‘Amru Adeeb, on his show al-hakaya (the story) on MBC-Egypt TV, reported on Trump’s give up to Turkish dictator Erdogan.  After repeating for months that if Turkey goes by way of with their plans to buy S-400 anti-aircraft missiles from Russia, that the U.S. would block sales of the advanced F-35 to Turkey, Trump has accomplished a 180.

The excuse Trump used, was that Obama did not treat Erdogan right!  Speak present host Adeeb repeated that with great sarcasm, and rightfully so.

Through the G-20 summit in Osaka, Japan, after first snubbing Erdogan for his purchasing weapons from Russia, Trump all of the sudden reversed and gave Erdogan the inexperienced mild to buy the anti-aircraft missiles from Russia.  Trump then adopted that up by saying that he would not boycott Turkey over its purchase of the Russian missiles.  We’ve to imagine that because of this Trump needs to go ahead and sell F-35s to Turkey.


So, what does all of this mean?  First, it signifies that Trump won’t let something stand in the best way of his with the ability to promote F-35s to the planet’s #1 state sponsor of terrorism.  Not even his own phrase of honor.  Not even world peace.

Does anyone critically consider that Erdogan, and/or whom ever follows him as Sultan of the new Ottoman Caliphate, won’t use these tremendous jets to exterminate even more Kurds, Christians, Yazidis, Jews, Assyrians, Greeks, and Armenians?

As someone who voted for Trump, and may have to take action again because all of the Democrats are even worse, it made me sick in my stomach to observe Trump surrender wimpily to the bully and Hitler wanna be Erdogan.  Trump, channeling his greatest Neville Chamberlain.

However this is of a bit with regards to Trump’s Middle East policies.  While he has been right on most of his overseas coverage and home points, he has shown nothing but abject blindness on the subject of Turkey.

First, he requested Erdogan to maneuver into northern Syria in order that he (Trump) might withdraw American forces.  This gave Erdogan the inexperienced mild to exterminate Kurds, Christians, and Yazidis who stood in his method as he added Syrian territory to his imaginary Ottoman empire.

Then Trump appeared the other approach as Turkey begins drilling for oil and fuel in Cypriot waters, and even sends warships into the identical waters.  This was adopted by the U.S. ambassador to Greece dropping hints that the U.S. will favor an answer (to the Aegean Sea points) that may give Turkey the best to drill in Cypriot (and by extension, Greek) waters–whereas Erdogan points threats about taking what ever Greek territories he needs.

And, now he will get F-35s?  This might be like Great Britain promoting Hitler spitfire aircraft on the eve of WWII.

Everyone who has read this information abstract up so far, as well as the earlier reviews on this website about Turkey’s conduct, Turkey’s help for ISIS, Turkeys’ conduct in Syria, Iraq, Greek and Cypriot waters and airspace, and in Libya, and other places, ought to be horrified by Trump’s continuous bowing and scraping to this fascist, racist, terror state.

Washington possible believes that by coddling this eschatological, terrorist state and wanting the other means once they annex different nations’ territories, and exterminate minorities they don’t like  . . . that they’ll willingly come again into the NATO fold sooner or later and behave themselves.  Sadly, the truth is the exact reverse.  Each act of aggression Turkey will get away with, every act of genocide that it will get away with, solely encourages it to be even more aggressive, extra supporting of terrorist teams like ISIS, and more genocidal towards non-Muslims, non-observant Muslims, and different minorities it doesn’t like for racial reasons.

I don’t anticipate Trump to be an professional on the Middle East, Turkish history, and grasp all the other points that a president must handle, but most People do anticipate their presidents to encompass themselves with people who find themselves specialists in these fields.  I worry that Trump has been getting very dangerous recommendation on Turkey, and I might look to the NSC, and probably the top honchos on the CIA, as the primary sources of this dangerous recommendation.

This is simply another reason why America is in dangerous want of a comprehensive intelligence reform.